That’s not crazy hours, but it depends on what you’re making. My dream job is a therapist, but I wanted to work in the field for a year or more to get my feet wet. Lol Reply reply More replies More replies More replies I would guess that people not tracking hours are generally people working in corporate accounting roles. Unless you are being compensated in the $300,000 range walk away. If I get assigned a non-billable work that takes me 100 hours, I Just lost 100 hours of billable time. I usually work 8 hours a day, of which 2-3 hours are spent on non-billable work (such as learning, meals,etc). 25. Maybe they fire you. 5 hours). Another aspect of it is that often larger law firms (or even small firms) will require their associate attorneys to reach some yearly billable hour goal, somewhere between 1800 on the low end and 2200 on the high end. I'm at a big regional firm (10 offices DC up through New England, 220 lawyers) that does mostly ID, my goal is 2100 hours. Clients hate it because they think it encourages busywork and padding. lazarusl1972. I'll spend another 150 to 200 on CPE and admin. Ha I did, always had two jobs, then worked 40+ hours through law school, and now with little kids, I don’t think I will ever know what 6+hr of uninterrupted sleep feels like. Hi all, I work at firm that assigns weekly billable time targets. My firm is full of people who bill 1500 real hours then “meet their hours” through billable credit, which is easily inflated since entries are never reviewed by the firm or a client. Your workweek is closer to 70 hours, maybe 80. Total hours: 2018. Last few years I've fluctuated between 1700 and 1950. Why work 110% for 60 hours when you can work 85% and still hit your target with being less stressed and come review time, the 110% worker is unlikely to be viewed dramatically different than the 85% worker. I'd receive review notes like. Not all billable. You said it's an hourly job. There are 104 saturdays/sundays, and 11 federal holidays, to 250 work days. How difficult is it to get billable hours? About to start at one of these, and it seems like they're kind of a big deal. Now granted, maybe you take an hour for lunch and half an hour for non-billable work every day so you're looking at roughly 9. 5 hours a day, 200 days a year. I have always been with a firm where expectations are 1800 billable. 21% was Project Management Training Meetings with Learning and Development. Your big billing chunks will come from reviewing medical records/inspections/whatever docs your cases involve. However, when the partner gives you an assignment you should ask the partner roughly how long should an assignment like this take… if they give you a timeframe then try to stay within it. Take 10 days off per year, and there are 240 days. Negotiate for more PTO when you are looking. Plus, not everything is billable. 2 years in each position, then job hop. The main thing that helps me is getting into work early - essentially, my billing is immensely more efficient before noon. But instead, I often get assignments late in the day, or on a Friday afternoon, and end up working late or through the weekend. So, you should ask them for $100K to start in my opinion with incremental annual raises as you’re experience and rate go up. 2% of my recorded time was actually billable. The answer is you don't. How to bill your time. People hate/love public accounting. So, you probably need to work 2300 to bill 2100. Assume you miss a few days for non-billable work stuff (cle), illness, vacation…let’s say 48 total work weeks. Who the hell gives interns billable hours targets? OP, it sounds like you're being too conservative with what you bill, you shouldn't need to adjust your billable hours to compensate for your (inevitable) slowness as an intern. You need to use the bathroom. Non-billable hours: 217. 5 years. Bill too many hours and you are breaking the budget, and the client is a cheap fuck who doesn’t want to pay. My biggest gripe with billable hour requirement is the non-billable work that is expected of you and the detriment of taking vacations. Partners: Bill as much as possible lets make as much as we can. I hate billable hours. 42. I've had months where I'm only at 80% and others where I'm at 150% due to trials. You kill your utilization - which means you record billable hours as ‘research’, ‘office’, ‘admin’ when it is really billable. All other non bill hours are where I accrue sick and PTO Edit: at the initial transition we were switched to hourly and any admin was switched to about half the rate of billable. 72. People don’t like to give out work to people who can’t complete it correctly the first time. 2. A question about billable Hours. My current MSP believes that the goal should be 37 hours, which That’s pretty bad. So you should be billing 36-38 hours each week. If I take a 2 week vacation, I just lost 14 days of billing. That's about 40-45 billable a week, and allows for 3 weeks vacation, holidays, and no working on weekends. This is how I figured it out. 5 hours a week. Bill . My firm has 15% of your year end score come from your utilization % (billable hours/total hours), 20% comes from community work, and 65% comes from project performance. It's the billable hours that's the problem, but also the non-billiable. Working for attorneys. e. Anw it's in the past now, billables are a somewhat archaic way of measuring success in public accounting, imo. I spent a couple hours a week reading the textbooks. She is very knowledgeable and a very polite person, however (im not sure if this is a gen z thing), she has only 200 billable hours (with a billing cycle starting in November), is rarely in the office (while we don't have a set RTO policy, it is 'highly' encouraged), and doesn't even have the decency to keep the teams light on green. And according to this old Yale law estimate and several commenters on Reddit, achieving 85-90% efficiency (so billing 8. The MCAT (Medical College Admission Test) is offered by the AAMC and is a required exam for admission to medical schools in the USA and Canada. If however you're only billing 85% of your office hours, then you're effectively 75% billable and depending on your overhead and multiplier rate is in the realms of 'breaking even'. As a newer eng. Billing 50 hours/week consistently is brutal, particularly for that salary. If you're in a corporate role you're less likely to be tracking hours by job, but I'm anything where you're billing time or switching projects, you're probably going to be tracking your time. This. View community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit Anyone else’s PA Firm Micromanage Billable Hours? This is why I hate timesheets and am actively looking for an industry/government job. I am weirdly loving billing hours. So yeah, ppl exaggerate, but that's because the fluctuations make it feel like you're working 80 hours a week at times. If you are in an internal meeting that touches a client, bill it. I found a spreadsheet with everyone's billable hours in the company and other consultants that were the same level as me billed 70-90% over the fiscal year. Alternatively, there are 365 days in a year. You are at work "10 hours a day". You should be at 90-95% billability. I hate the phrase "spin your wheels. If you were making, $100,000 a year. If I bill that hour tomorrow, can I ethically enter it for June 30? To be clear, I do not have any performance or bonus incentives or anything like that tied to billing a certain number in June. I am on the fence between staying at the job I currently have (insurance defense with 1900s yearly billable requirement) or trying something else I feel I will find more enjoyable and allow me to grow more (claims counsel position at insurance company) The biggest perk of my current job is that it is 100% remote and will continue to do so. General expectation is 140-170 depending on workflow. I also have side-work that I average 12-15 billable hrs a week. I did 2400 billable my first year at a national firm. to the total hours then 85% billable means you're billing 100% of your office time. Reply reply. •. At first they seemed to have all kinds of work, in fact OT was easy to get. If you're required to do that work, you have to record it. At the end of the year my overall hourly goal is close to my utilization goal for the year. Dlorn. You need lunch. It's fine to have highs and lows. If time sheets were gone this job would be 1000x better. If this helps, what I started doing is setting 30 minute timers and walking in on him every 30 minutes to ask what he is working on. Bill the exact time, and you are either fabricating your hours or eating time. 1. But thats still like 4mos a year and they happen to be during my favorite weather >:- (. 5 billable hours a week. I've been evaluating my options for an inevitable post-biglaw move and I've come to realize that the thing I hate most is the time tracking. In other words, I had to work 2018 hours to receive 1801 of billable credit. How you bill the time: Billing 200 hours a month (2400 in a year) can feel almost manageable if you have a steady stream of work. Then, repeat. Less than 3x is really not profitable in most cases. Step 2 - Staff follows step 1 and goes way over budget on many occasions. Aug 25, 2017 · The billable hour may be the most reviled payment structure in history. The #1 social media platform for MCAT advice. Baltimore. I personally suggest if you are looking at a workpaper with no idea what to do for longer than 5 minutes, ask someone. My line of work goes with how many administrative hearings you can pack into a week, so when there aren’t many hearings, it’s tough to meet those numbers. My company expects a 78% utilization rate based on a 45 hour work week. We book codes from azure devops im our o365 callendars, PowerShell script reeding that data, validate agaist devops projects/tasks and export it to power bi. , getting the efficient ones to capture all their time and catching the sandbaggers when they dump 8 hours in a code for a half hour task) and then dealing with the billing/write offs that keeps me off a In my experience, it really depends on (1) how you bill the time and (2) what counts as billable. I could live with that. If you are like 90% of consultants I know you're still thinking about the client while on break. 5 hours to draft the responses and objections. Busy season would increase to about 8-9hrs of a 10hr day. towel28. I personally hate it, but what can you do. This sub will be private for at least a week from June 12th. If you hate billable hours, don’t apply to firms with larger hours requirements. You have to reach the billable hours requirement, which often requires one to forgo or work through vacations. I have been at this consulting job for roughly 6 months. That assumes you never get sick, you never take a vacation, and you work every For example, the oil and gas PMs are insanely strict with hours/budgets, whereas one Army Corps of Engineers PM doesn't really care if I bill 8 hours on a 4 hour task if I'm light on work that week. You have to bill an average of 36. The worst part is the unpredictability and how the work is unevenly distributed over time. 1 for every 6 pages. Working 2300 hours is more than 44 hours every week, no holidays, no vacay. It forces associate to under bill and partners to under bid projects and engagements. Jobs after biglaw without time tracking/billable hours. Both methods hurt you in review time. We had x guys working y billable hours, some billed at different rates. I’m in a similar boat. If I get in at 5, I'll bill 6 hours by noon, and hit 9 hours for the day. Have had two jobs in defense litigation. I actually got an 11% pay raise due to the companies successful covid tansition. Sometimes people go over the hours billed and say they didn't, that's called eating hours. Lawyers hate it because it encourages toil and Square_Wallaby_8033. I can’t imagine billing 8 hours a day everyday though, big law style. We work 45-50 a week when we're fully resourced. CS major with a JD from a T30 school (it was free) that sat for Feb bar in Cali but didnt pass (transferable MBE score). Ok, maybe it’s more « I hate the expectation that I’m going to regularly attend lunchtime learning opportunities that are actually just regular meetings». 8 hours of Break/Lunch. It just doesn't work for me. Maybe off seasons, I see that in some teams like Audit. Read the sidebar BEFORE posting. Potentially unpopular opinion: I hate lunch & learns. I'm in a firm with £100m+ revenue. 5 hours a day just AT work. My breakdown was about 49. This wasn’t your average government job. At the end of the day you should be aiming for above 100% utilization either (a) on a monthly basis or (b) by the end of the FY. i would say about 1 to 1. 5 hours per day doesn't sound bad - 9 to 5 with a half hour for lunch. Part of the reason people work that many hours is because the work keeps piling up. Thats 4. My old firm’s requirements were around 1900-2000/year depending on the office and practice area. If you bill 2,000 hours, you’re bringing in $300K. But 85% efficiency to get 2000 billable hours If you are willing to do that stuff if available it should be easy. I'm assuming engineering is similar. The hours can be brutal, leading to a lot of attrition but also promotion opportunities. Billable hours are what the firm charges the client. I'm fine working 70-80 hour weeks but spending more of my time tracking what I'm doing is unbearable. I have my own practice and bill 1200 to 1400 per year. They get cut. For more info go to /r/Save3rdPartyApps/ ​ https://redd. For example, 40 hours worked per week would equate to a billable hours goal of 30 hours per week. lazenintheglowofit. Previously there was an aim for 6. So I recently started (3 months ago) my first ‘big boy job’, working as a CW for a major hospital. If you’re working 20-30 less hours a week than your co-workers you could get overwhelmed by arbitrary deadlines. I've also read that minimum billable hours for big law tend to be around 1900 or so, with 2000+ being usual / recommended as well. As long as you're near, at or above 100% utilization, you're typically okay. That very achievable without questionable billing… But, we are in a smaller centre and our costs as a firm are reasonable. You’ll end up working 9 hour days to catch up on everything else. I'm not sure about compensation having never worked for an accounting firm but I'm pretty sure you'd be salaried there. Full respect to the people organizing these events though. 7. Typically people say work in public accounting, preferably for a big 4 or other large firm for 2 years, and then you can go into industry with a strong resume. To get paid (and have your pay protected), you MUST track your time with the Upwork Time Tracker. I pumped while driving between clients or would set up my schedule everyday to allow me to have a pump “break” every 3 hours. " this should only take 10hrs , put 10 on timesheet". ago. Is it difficult? It is not easy to avoid billables during busy season. All told, I average 53. 1 / 2. They treat this the same for consultants on fixed price contracts and for time and materials contracts, even though they expect people to work as many hours as needed to get the An aging attorney who required me to schedule his daily tasks, yet never followed the schedule and then expected me to provide an accurate record of his billable hours. You should be making at least 1/3 of what you bring in. 5 per day. Billable hours- the bane of my existence. If they insist on using 1 bucket for all non billable tasks, then in your narrative list out additional notes like “attended webinar on (topic name)-0. However, I end up doing a lot of L1 and L2 work and average about 5 billable hours per day. The remaining 30% are for meetings, admin tasks, general chatter that can't go into a ticket, pauses. The weeks of 60 you're working some days 15 hours a day, billing 13. I'm still salary. Or, if you want to flex Friday off, 6. 4 hours ago · Billable hours requirements are very stressful for lots of reasons. Or, rent a tiny house and go work for the government. Your company will usually bill you out 3x or more than your salary depending on the size of the company. Alchemy-16 • 2 mo. Let’s call it 11 hours a day of work, which amounts to 55 hours a week. Honest answer: Partner will be dissatisfied with your billable hours. 89. I worked long hours attending legislative meetings. 4 million, higher if it's a big city, would be about right for first or second year. I’m out of law school 3. So my current situation is that I work at an IP boutique firm in Silicon Valley that recruited me out of law school over a year ago. Then tack on a few hours on the weekend and you're close to 2100. I heard the horror stories of billable hours, and thought I’d hate it compared to the “as long as it gets done” model I was used to before. A 100% billable requirement is an exploitative farce. Lots of other paralegals want to be the “best” paralegal in attorneys eyes, even at the expense of making others look bad. I love prosecution, but I hate my firm, I hate billable hours, and I hate Silicon Valley. , that is constantly being added on top of the client workload, but doesn't count toward utilization. I’ve come to the conclusion that the standard goal of billable hours for Pro Services engineers should be 75% of the number of hours worked. I convinced my last job to pay for training for me to become a building inspector. Internal things like invoicing, proposals, placemats, thought leadership, etc. For those of you who are CDs, what are your required billable hours or how many do you bill weekly? I'm looking to also compare size of clinic, so if you could give me an approximate number of clients, I'd appreciate that! . Fuck em. " I makes my skin crawl because it provides no real measure for constructive feedback. 1700 would be really tough first year. Step 3 - Staff finally gets read the riot act by at least one manager (the others have stopped using him) because he is going over budget. If in doubt, bill it. 6% was essentially just not billable. You billed too many hours on a different client and have receipts to back up the extra work you were doing, but you lost the firm money (fixed fee) and cannot break the budget going forward. I was at a midsize firm billing 40/week consistently and that wasn’t too bad. Seeing 2 hours billable, 2 to "internal CPE", 2 to "client prospecting," and 2 to "general admin" was a lot more palatable than 6 in general admin. This must be an audit or advisory thing cause it’s sure as hell not true in tax. Now its like its dried up and I'm expected to have 90% utilization. I have found that it is impossible to keep track time lost to losing focus "looking… Our employees work a 9 hour shift with an hour lunch, so in a typical day, they have about 7. 5hrs a day. The last 29. Granted I’m a first year call and just started. Question - Clinical Director Billable Hours Hey! I'm a CD of a clinic with about 55 clients, and a goal of 65. The catch is to look at your overall billable utilization. Generally you're going to be able to bill about 2/3 of your time working, that puts you at about 55 hours a week working on average, or 10 hours M-F with an extra 5 hours on the weekend. • 3 yr. You need to make coffee. Only the months around 4/15 and 10/15 deadlines not year round. I maintained the same billable in order to maintain my salary. I am the Dispatcher at an MSP and my job SHOULD BE completely overhead. To bill 1800 a year, you need to bill 7 hours a day during the week. 1s, which can add, get cut. Does everyone just overbill on their timesheets? I had a super low billability my first 5 months at my job at around 36% since I struggled to find work and I'm new to consulting. Billing was always an issue and I feel defeated. /r/MCAT is a place for MCAT practice, questions, discussion, advice, social networking, news, study tips and more. The pettiness, gossip, and abuse among support staff. 5 hours, assuming I've already billed "review/analyze new file contents provided by client" at an appropriate number of hours. Career Development / Développement de carrière. As a manager I know my time is a bit skewed more on the admin side, so I would say in a normal 8-9hr day, 5hrs during non-peak time is billable between my clients. If the PD says that the job is generally 40 hours per week, it's impossible to bill 40 hours a week and comply with timekeeping, read required company emails and memos, complete required training, etc. I have good weeks and bad weeks in terms of stress. The non-billable work includes office happy hours, recruiting, networking events, business development, etc. Take your 10 (ish) federal holidays, that’s 46 hrs per week (or, add in a Saturday). If you are a big Toronto firm with floors of expensive high rise real estate to pay rent on…. Billable hours works like this: you work your ass off every minute of the day and also when you get home at night, then forget who your family is, then forget who you are, then crawl in defeated only to hear the partners scold you for not billing enough because a third of your hours don’t count. It's not always possible to just bill 7-8 hours between 8:00 and 7:00 and go home, Monday through Friday. Your job as an intern is to ask what the hell is going on because you don't know. Then if you don’t describe the billable event correctly, the carrier will reject the billing causing more work. Second, clients really hate . 55 hours a week times 52 weeks is 2860 hours. Billable hours targets are stupid too. Bill too many hours and you are breaking the budget, are being seen as unproductive or time thief, and/or the client is a cheap fuck who doesn’t want to pay. 1 day ago · I'm a senior associate that was assigned a first year to mentor. But if you have lots and lots and lots of . Yearly averages (usually in the 1400-1600 hour range for paralegals) still suck but are manageable due to being able to aggregate your time. My first place I don’t feel trained me well, never completely managed a file on my own. 52 weeks x 5 days/wk = 260 work days Less: 24 non-working days (16 PTO + 8 holidays) = 236 week days 1900 billable hours divided by 236 = 8 billable hours a day. Jobs after biglaw without time tracking/billable hours I've been evaluating my options for an inevitable post-biglaw move and I've come to realize that the thing I hate most is the time tracking. We ask for 70% of their work time logged in the system. It was a lot of work. Everything about this is asinine and ridiculous. That works out at a pretty low 1,200 per year. You’ll probably end up working 65+ hours a week to start and closer to 55-60 as you get more efficient in the next 1-2 years. Staff: Shit if I don't bill I will get in trouble but if I do bill I will get in trouble. So you're on call 24/7 and have an actual workweek of about 45-50 hours. More importantly however, the behavior of reddit leadership in implementing these changes has been reprehensible. I average a utilization rate of 92%, or about 41. Even if it’s a pay boost, you’ll hate yourself and want out faster. Let’s assume conservatively that your rate is $150/hour. If you're adding PTO, holidays, etc. Your charge out rate will do that for you. You should not expect to be able to actually BUY a tiny house on government money. It usually takes about 10-12 hours to bill 8 hours (this is if you’re being pretty fucking efficient). 2 hours of value time, and 1. First one, 3 yrs at med mal defense, then general tort. You billed the exact time on another client but you should think about billing less hours. $300k is like $700k short for me. My salary is based on a contract of 25 billable per week. If you go slightly over then they can adjust your hours if needed. When there are hearings aplenty, 200+ is pretty easy to hit. Different story. 2400 hours per year is a sadistic amount of work. No billable requirement. I briefly wrote up a little proposal/made presentation slides, and I did research on some different technologies to pass the time basically. If I get in at 8, I'm lucky to get 6. I’d be there until 11:00 PM almost weekly. 5 - 55. Posted by u/Equal-Challenge1198 - 1 vote and 1 comment If you just started, you don’t have the caseload to bill 8. Reply. 90 per week should be the minimum. My company allowed me to reduce my hours with reduced pay, which I didn’t want. Manual time should NOT be used unless there is a problem with the Tracker (this will happen 2-3 times a month). That being said, its a fine line between taking on these tasks to get extra hours during a light week and abusing the system. 5 hours per week, or 7. NAD83-CSRS. 1s, and if you're in a jurisdiction that doesn't block bill, then all those . 193. ” And don’t forget to track the time it takes you to track the time, my personal favorite. If you have enough cases, eight billable hours a day is a piece of cake in work comp defense. It really depends how efficient you are as well. Your hourly wage is $29. I mainly see kids about 8-15 years old, and we are expected to get 5 billable hours a day. Then after i passed the tests, they were able to give me billable work inspecting houses. 5 hours per day easily. But yeah, for a normal ser of 35 or so, 1. Typically a working engineer at a consulting firm has to meet a certain minimum percentage of hours that are directly billable to a client (70% to 90% or 28 to 36 hour per week) After a 40 years of consulting, designing and permitting as a civil/environmental engineer something My billable standard is about 30-35 hours/week (depending on my caseload) but gotta work at least a full 40. You can be very efficient in the office and bill almost all the time you are there. Don't worry about 30min of your time being spent elsewhere mentally, that's easily the amount of time spent in the bathroom If I bill 2 hours one day, or 3 hours a few days in a row, no one says anything. So easy. If you forget to start\stop the timer you can always manually edit as well. You can do 7 hours of client work + 2 or 3 of the non-billiable items and at the end of the At my firm, our billable targets are under 900 hours a year. 5hours logged per day guideline and some time can be logged under notes/support for tasks mentioned above. it/144f6xm/ 1910 hours for me last year, worked out about 8. There is no winning. You're processing thoughts related to the job. Across all our offices, the average chargeable hours done per day is 5. Half my time as a Senior Manager is spent trying to get people to fill out their time sheets properly (i. Bill too little hours, you aren’t seen as doing your part and your looked at as lazy. This is just to help me keep track of my hours (so I don't have to "carry ahead" one hour for July when calculating July's goals). If you BILL (not work, just billing time) 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year you're already at 2000 hours. But still, with this setup I actually like it. Now divide your salary of $85,000 by 2860 hours. Managers: Bill as little as possible lets be as profitable as possible. Billable Hours for Professional Services. That’s 3,120 BILLABLE hours a year. You might make 100k, but if it's at 60 hours a week, 80-90k at 40 hours is a considerable raise. 5-9 hours for every 10 hours worked) is doable. It’s a great incentive to work more and ask for more work, and I get a good bonus out of it. My budget is like 1,650. 1s. Practically speaking some people do work weekends to make up slack here and there. Mostly M-F but Saturday, as needed (If I have a client that day, which I haven’t most of my time as a supervisor) My workload isn’t too bad. If you take a 5 minute break an hour that is part of your hour, bill it. Would be easy to go to another firm, but wouldn’t solve the problem. So if my billable requirement is 2,000 hours, I'd have to work 2242 We use Harvest. If you take a half hour lunch, that means every minute has to be billable. Which, was entirely how my second 55 billable is still like 65 total hours dedicated to work, not including commuting, working lunches and working dinners. Pretty easy to use, can keep track of multiple projects. It has a very defined career path. Never in my working career have I seen such a lack of training among colleagues. Step 4 - Staff stops charging all of his time to avoid going over budget. Better, I think, to work a job which pays less but you can stand longer. You either work more hours and don’t record them (example: do 60 hours of billable work a week and record 50). I usually get about 42 hours per week. 4% billable to a project. Stay in government. 1800/48 = 37. These people then pretend to be at capacity. Regarding the admin, we found a bunch of non billable admin codes that kept the schedulers off our backs. . For me, some weeks I only bill 20, but sometimes I’m expected to work 60 in the field. pc uf on ay ta mg lb bd by nq