Coming off trt reddit

I've been off 1 month from today. When you get off it’s impossible to attain it as it fluctuates naturally heavily. Idk. 2 weeks and 2 days off now and my bloat and moonface are still gone from week 1. Quit cold turkey and about 6 months later I had debilitating anxiety and panic attacks, got my blood work done I was 315 total 4. Maybe some people get over sensitized from the TRT but i don't think that's the case. You slowly up the dose each week all the way up to you 400-500mg per week. From research it seems waiting for the ester (testosterone cypionate) to clear and then using hcg for 4-6 weeks followed by a SERM (tamoxifen) for 4-6 weeks is an appropriate plan. . What I’ve seen. After three years I have given up on TRT. My MD said that ~95% of people have no fertility issues after stopping TRT (assuming there were no issues beforehand). I typically find HCG in 5000 iu vials, so generally use either one or two (10 or 20 weeks) depending on desired end date. After being on TRT for 3 months I felt great and all but it made me wonder if I have gotten on it too early. 250mg test e per week put me at 1500 and 125mg put me at 1100. Started TRT almost 1 year ago and have had very minimal anxiety that wasn’t prompted. Was on 100mg weekly total- split into 2 shots per week. Could be an E2 issue, could be not high enough free T. Remove HCG at day 45. Hormonal imbalances is only one part of the equation. And due to HCG suppressing LH/FSH High blood pressure, is probably from a too high dose, also missing out on hCG tanks progesterone which has a calming effect. The nutting too quickly is for sure a psychological and a physical problem you have to manage. 5mg 2x/week. His brand itself - PR lifestyle is predicted on hitting PRs on a regular basis. Here’s my story. My tests results showed that my testosterone total and free was low, and I felt lethargic, weak, had brain fog and insomnia. sides went, put on muscle and feel pretty bloody good albeit my bad I’m coming off trt and started enclomiphene and tamoxifen. My hair loss has stopped and is getting darker (it was black before trt and turned light brown/grayish after starting) and losing its dry brittle texture. Or if you can just stop the drug (reandron) without anything and take natural supps (i. It IS tough coming off but not the end of the world. I was back to going hard 4-5 days a week. I’ve been on varying doses of TRT / AI and a stable dose of HCG for about a year now and it had does wonders for my QoL (quality of life). not sure about fertility but i came off 5 years ago Came off last September 22- bloods done in the nov and T crashed. But now going to go back on. I tried to get them to prescribe but the said they can’t. Still going through that now hoping my levels return to 400 range eventually. My recent lab work showed a slight elevation in my calcium serum, so they are going to test for parathyroid issues as Ive used the HCG protocol for on-cycle when coming off TRT with fantastic results. Tried for a year, wasn’t helpful in any way. Stop. Lower TRT to 100mg/week. My life is ok ,its just more ,normal,just like it used to be . Testosterone was ~280 three years ago when I started. TRT takes a while to dial in. TLDR. Chemical imbalances can also be a part of it. For discussion on TRT. Some things happened where I decided to come off cold turkey for 4 weeks and noticed that my libido crashed entirely and so did my erections. Begin enclomiphene at day 50 (12. Nice. Pre Trt I had been working shift work for 5 years. You can always hop on it again. You can come off TRT and *eventually you'll get back to what you'd naturally be producing at your age. I am 21 years old and 3 months ago, I started TRT. Responded way too fast. Add a Comment. Another thing, besides your SHBG, that can be relevant is that it take time for your receptors to regain it´s sensitivity after having high testlevels on TRT. 3. People are very capable of fertility without coming off TRT, but your HCG dosage is super low, most people "coast" on 1000iu and you're only taking 900iu to restart your nuts. Try to lower your dose , with a higher frequency of injections in this way , you will fill more stable . People run steroid cycles periodically for 12-16 weeks all the time with no issues. It doesn't take much at all to make that happen. If your doctor doesn't want to prescribe those meds for PCT, personally I would try and find a doctor who will or I would buy them online. As for my observations from coming off of TRT: Day 7-10 after last shot: Started Let's say your on a TRT dose of 100mg per week and you wanted to start cycling. For 4 weeks. Net result is the same, but since you’re stopping TRT it might be best to go with Enclomiphene to mitigate the crash when coming off HCG. I was on an opioid medication at the time which I believe was the culprit in my low numbers. Been on trt for 2 years now 140mg a week, wife is wanting another baby and I’m looking for the best approach to increasing my fertility, my first year of trt I was taking hcg once a week then I stopped because it became hard to get, I thought getting comid would help my fertility but it gave me really bad mood swings so I got off. Im happy with the return after trt. A month and a half in was absolute shit, no sex drive, motivation low, no appetite. My hair has re-gained its natural texture and fullness. 6 mils a week of 200mg test C. HCG will suppress the gonadal axis. Before trt ,i wasnt above average , i was just a normal bloke . I had to come Puff due to financial reasons. That said, I'm looking forward to documenting my journey on this thread. My everlasting pump is gone and it was sad to see my mass diminish but it has leaned me Trt protocol was 50mg test cyp twice a week with . 10 days after your last injection blast another 1500iu MWF for 2 weeks. Clomid can work in the short term, but SHBG will raise and it will lose effectiveness quickly. I may be one of those cases where TRT use was just not appropriate. I was told i should do hcg first then serms. T levels were around 650 but I was exhibiting low t symptoms. I was on for 3yrs and decided to stop from the side effects. People come off of TRT all the time and there are well-documented approaches to doing so. Emotions, levels of give a fuck, and desires were almost non existent, it was pretty dramatic. Has anyone else experienced coming off TRT please and what were your findings? Thx Coming off TRT. Now, after being off TRT for almost a year, I feel better than ever. It. After 3yrs I decided to stop trt (100mg weekly split between 2 pins) because of the side effects and am giving others insight (weekly) on my experience coming off. No point in running both at the same time. If you don't want to tell a doc, it's really going to prolong the suck. Do your own homework, and experiment a little before you quit atleast. HCG will be at 250IU three days a week. In all reality he did not achieve liveable test levels (somewhat reg energy level, libido etc) for about 8-10 months. Reply reply. TRT story. If you’re getting moon face, your estrogen is too high. 7 (This was two weeks into the lower dosage of 3. SERMs short term are not that bad if you are worried about side effects. When i came off trt ,i just slowly became a normal dude again . They only did the injections at the office. Oriential-amg77. Or just right to the triptorelin. If I were to stay on TRT until the summer that would be ~8 months on. You can decrease the dose you take over the course of one week to two weeks by about twenty five percent. 5mg Clomid EOD for 2 weeks. PCT+couple weeks to fall to baseline+doc clomid+ fall to baseline and then finally trt. I have been on TRT for 2 years now started when I was 30, it helped me greatly but I have always wondered if I could have improved my test levels on my own naturally. 37K subscribers in the trt community. Bloods done last week and now higher than my reading before going on (only slightly). Edit: Cost is also a big factor. Hcg clomid tamo. Think about it… the same people bitching about docs not giving them TRT because of an arbitrary number on a scale are the same ones who want to shoot for a total T number over 1000 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️ It is also used amongst bodybuilders that have used PEDs. The Rules: * Don't be a jerk and keep it civil * Be factual, cite credible sources if…. Started at 200mg a week. You should be concerned about your FSH of 9. 5 years. Ive only taken the serms for a week. My pre test levels were around 90-100. TRT is for life, you can't just stop after 2 years, unless you want very low or non existant testosterone levels the rest of your life--which will result in a huge array of other side effects (no sex drive, depression, low energy, possible heart issues, etc. My first testosterone test came back 215 and my second was a little over 300. One week into coming off TRT and feel great I’ve seen a number of posts where people express concerns about insomnia, anxiety and a variety of other unsavory side affects of T. Each week I did a little bit less, until the final week I barely had a couple drops in the syringe. Maybe bad stuff idk, maybe it's because im already on trt either way I've shelfed it and probably will end up throwing it out in the future until I read more into it. Hello, I've searched through this sub and have an appointment with my doc later this week, but was looking to learn what to expect coming off of TRT. I've done anabolics and various PCT protocols in the past (granted at much higher total dosages), and this was by far the most painless way to come off. I’m thinking about coming off TRT and I’m curious what you strangers on the internet think about my reasons why etc. Even though it's within reference range, it's not common for men with healthy testicles to have that high FSH. If you go on it for a couple of months and want to stop, just run a pct. Even with no data supporting PCT when coming off of testosterone replacement, anecdotal reports are almost unanimous in that it can help ease the transition so that it’s overall less unpleasant. Sleep apnea can cause issues too. 250 IU daily tends to be the limit for hCG testosterone production, past that just adds out of range progesterone and E2. My plan is to hammer HCG for a month coming off cold So far what we do know is that adequate doses of TRT, such as 10-20mg pose mostly benefits regarding mood, hormone balance and a boost in libido, tailored for each individual's preference of feeling vs the unwanted side effects. 5mg adex twice a week. The PCT I've come across as pretty standard is as follows: HCG 500-750IU EOD for two weeks followed by Nolva 10mg EOD for two weeks, then 5mg EOD for two weeks. TRT strongly suppresses FSH levels, as well as LH. Went back on test and dosed up to 250mg per week for 12 weeks. I did not have sperm frozen. Your patience will pay off soon!! Remember, shooting for a number is both irrelevant and antiquated. ago. Otherwise, you are just going to have to wait for your natty production to come back on its own. The why is irrelevant I’m here asking if anyone has Any advice or suggestions, I’m been on Trt for 11 months at 120 mg a week. You should experience benefits as well, even on lower dosages than you are currently on, or experimented with. I too am considering coming off trt after more than 6 months on. I’ve been on 125mg for about 6months . You might get lucky and end up with them prescribing you pct, and immediately after, assuming clomid doesn't put you in normal range, you get put on trt. 5 mg) and remain on enclomiphene for 3 months. 5mg Clomid E3. In my mind, PCT is there to prevent the symptoms that come along with extremely low sex hormone values such as depression, anxiety TRT story. Noticed I was losing a ton of hair and decided to come off completely. Share. It can take months to a year to get the full benefits from TRT. If you insist on coming off, I would tell the doctor that you want a full PCT with HCG and Clomid or Nolvadex. It's often associated with testicular issues. On trt ,a lot of good things happened (gains ,better sex,more confidence ) . Depression is not always due to hormone levels, although it definitely can be. Then for the next 4 weeks you then you slowly lower the dose each week back down too 100mg per week " your usual TRT dose " Total In 2019 I moved to another country and went maybe 4-5 months on HCG only because I ran out of test. 5, FSH: 1. 3 weeks before you come off blast 1500iu MWF. go to the steroids Reddit under the first cycle wiki for more info on that. 5 days. 8. 5 mg/wk for past 14 months 250iu HCG & 0. 10 days later is still pretty much on. So, I could be doing internal damage that isn’t picked up by the bloods, yes. You'll be fine most likely or not, PCT won't make much difference. Gained over 20lbs 5’6” 170 - over 190+. A place to discussing all things related to the safe usage of Steroids, TRT or hormone replacement with the exception of sourcing information. Started at 448 total 8. 125mg per day) Day 97 blood test (around 4. Read the rules. Anxiety came back, but to a much lesser degree. You'll need more HCG whether your come off TRT or not. Without a progestin to cause hard shutdown, most guys will have some viable sperm. The arimidex may be making it worse. You need to PCT. Read the rules to learn how to become an approved submitter. I went on TRT to gain some muscle, which I have. The protocol used to come off trt is very similar to the same one people use to raise their testosterone before going on trt. Obviously mileage varies here, but if you are older, and legit needed trt to begin with, that's probably the most likely scenario. That was one of the reasons I went on TRT. So at the top of normal. Yes. ED and Low Libido after coming off TRT and starting back up. Without TRT, we're going to have lower T at 50, 60, 70, etc Remain on TRT with HCG for 2 weeks while tapering down the TRT dose. So now I'm coming off. Anyhow, get off, see how you feel. If you are having issues later down the line conceiving you can always come off temporarily and do a fertility protocol. So. testtest-99. 5mg ED for 3 months put my bloodwork (at 4 months since last injection) similar to 140mg p/week of Test Cypionate injected daily. BrilliantLifter. Sleep apnea was a bitch on it too and that disappeared as well. Your energy levels will drop, muscle size will decrease, workout intensity. Harm reduction focused discussions related to safe usage of AAS, TRT or hormone replacement with the exception of sourcing information. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. My pre TRT levels weren’t low enough to go via NHS. There's a number of things you should've tried before jumping the gun and going off TRT. Coming off Trt, got blood work beginning of week to have reference please help Bloodwork Decided to come off Trt because it hasn’t worked and many other reasons after 11 months this is blood work from Monday this week ( just skipped shots this week first week since coming off so bloods reflect high test level ) was on 120 mg test a week. And you wanted to run the cycle for 2 months. I had a semen analysis done and I was at 8,000,000 with 60% motility. In short jumping off TRT is hardly ever a good choice, the reasons you have seem confusing to me at least. Yes, especially with pellets as they are very slow release. If you typically inject 0. 3 free. 6, FSH: 1. 5 free. I’ve been off of the opioid for over a year now and am considering coming off of testosterone but I’m afraid of what that will be like. Been considering coming off of TRT and I'm curious what others have experienced when doing so. Come off cold turkey. No reason to suppress your production any longer than necessary. Exogenous (outside your body) testosterone shuts down any limited testosterone production you had before. Testosterone ranged between 600 and 1300 during the three years. I don't recommend people hoping on and off TRT. my T base levels were always high is the 800’s. Just run the Enclomiphene. 2. Jun 6, 2021 · This results in the Leydig cells no longer producing endogenous testosterone and the Sertoli/germ cells no longer producing sperm. Trt helped me lose weight, dial in my exercise, sleep and get out of my after 20’s rut. I would say after 2 years on TRT is when it becomes a 50/50 chance at recovering, so I would stick it out or try blasting 1000 units of HCG/week for a few weeks and TRT is the final stop when nothing else works. When I came off TRT (on 1 year self admin no HCG) my clinic put me on hcg and clomid, I can’t remember the dosages but it reset my HPTA and testosterone was good for 3-4 months. e. So I have used for about 5 years now, cycling on and off. I think it will be a shock for him and for his fanbase. That’s not even remotely true. I realize after beinn on TRT that I have There's a reason you shouldn't get labs until at least 6-8 weeks have passed due to starting trt or altering a protocol. If he’s able to maintain his results after coming off TRT he could have achieved them without it. I was on TRT for just over a year, I was on 150mg Test E per week, 1200iu of HCG split Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Anastrozole 0. Tapered off on my own. When i first started on TRT the first 8 months I quite literally felt invincible. Your levels take time to recover after stopping TRT, and it will be prolonged with pellets. A little back story, I have been on TRT for close to 2 years now, starting at 200 mgs a week after about 4-5 months after starting I started developing some severe chest, shoulder, back cystic acne which has completely scarred everywhere. But from our age going forward, it's not like our testosterone was naturally going to go back UP on its own. Once I got dialed in (6month) virtually zero issues with any anxiety or panic attacks. 5. I would encourage you to just try it for a year. Yeah I wasn’t doing any cardio, just lifting heavy weights 5 days a week. FSH is a pituitary hormone which helps sperm cells to mature. •. Twenty weeks would be preferable. Did bloodwork and was told that although totl t was good, I was low for free T. Can i drop the serms for now and do hcg for a couple weeks then do the serms? Larry Wheels coming "off" PEDs and starting TRT. But now his natural production has been shut down and it will be a struggle to get it back online. Came off TRT after 2 years using HCG/HMG (4 weeks) and Enclomiphene (12 weeks) Enclomiphene Citrate is damn powerful. Clomid use when coming off TRT? Hi everyone, So after much back and forth with my original doctor, an endocrinologist, and a urologist I have decided to come off TRT based on their censuses that it is not helping my symptoms. So I’m coming off TRT after 2. I did one month of 150 once a week and one shot of HCG with it as well. . You're gonna want to be sure you give yourself the best chance to bounce back asap. Then coasted on a normal TRT dose until I was 31 (no HCG during this time). Stop HCG, take 25mg Clomid & 0. 5 days) truly requires a PCT of hCG and Nolvadex etc. Before I started TRT, I had a semen analysis done and everything was good as far as mobility, count and morphology are concerned. 10 Week Update: Coming Off TRT Cold Turkey After Three Years. Decided last year I was going to go on a cruise, 150 test/150 mast, which worked great. 100-125 IU daily is enough for most guys to have decent fertility when on TRT. I would do triptorelin, then right into enclomid or serm for a while and then come off everything if you want to see where your body is totally naturally. This is what I'm experiencing. It’ll take you anywhere from 3-6months the for a solid recovery. Do some searching on that and you’ll have the best If semen analysis is adequate after four months on HCG, a pregnancy should be possible soon. Discussing sources will get you banned. Was. Lately I’ve been extremely stressed and worried, almost like OCD. Trt wrecked my hair with balding, thinning and dried out-straw like- texture. Raise HCG to at least 2000iu/per week. But if you didn't feel any different than I wouldn't worry too much about feeling bad coming off. My total test is around 290ng/ml & free of 17 as of January bloodwork. Triggered muscle memory plus, as I worked out like a madman in my Get the Reddit app Scan this QR code to download the app now What is worse when coming off , weaning off , or weaning off with enclomaphine Coming off TRT Coming off Trt tips after 11 months any advice or trips appreciated! Question. Yeah, I did this actually last year after coming off TRT for 8 years, I had the exact same symptoms you are describing right now ended up hopping back on for another year and of course symptoms went away. ). To be honest it was absolute hell lol. I was in the emergency room a couple of weeks ago after trying to donate blood and was refused because my blood pressure was 198/118. That's not gonna happen anymore, unless he starts "Non PED PRs". 6. I’ve decided to continue on just HCG for 4 weeks until my hormones return to natural base level. I don’t know if it’s from the…. Any help would be greatly appreciated, just looking to come off to go back to what once was. Hey all - so I jumped on TRT to combat some post finasteride syndrome sides I was experiencing for months after ceasing. To quit you will need a PCT to restart your natural levels . Looked like a sawtooth graph. HCG will technically shut your system down. Plus you’re heavily bound to lifestyle shit when natural, you won’t have that on trt. I’ve started doing cardio and stopped the testosterone and now my BP is 125/70, but I feel like dog shot mentally from these tanked test levels. Reply. TRT isn’t necessarily lifelong… many people come off and recover after years of gear, it is just not a risk you want to take and should strongly consider before starting TRT. It doesn't matter for you because you're also taking testosterone. Most would prefer a soft landing and adjustment of exercise goals etc. 7, Test: 633, Free test: 10. My current protocol is 120mg/wk test only broken up e3. Best of luck dude, definitely don't give up on TRT, maybe just give up on your supplier honestly. In the first two weeks libido shot through the roof worse than teen years, appetite was insane eating out of control all day. Hey Reddit bros. Likelihood of success and opinions vastly differ with both using the medicine itself and coming off of the medicine, but we cannot say definitively that someone must be on TRT for life once they’ve started. The Real Housewives of Atlanta; The Bachelor; Sister Wives; 90 Day Fiance; Wife Swap; The Amazing Race Australia; Married at First Sight; The Real Housewives of Dallas Unless you were infertile prior to trt, your fertility will be fine. 5 cc's of a 200 milligrams per ml once a week, you take 100 mg per week. 1. I started TRT about a year ago. For example, for some people 25 might be high estrogen. Do 250iu E3D for at least 2-3 months before PCT. But now cruising at about 800-1000 I just feel normal. 50eod the past 3 months, sperm numbers are claiming but not Mobil enough. Use of hCG when on trt or steroids should aid in the recovery process when coming off as it mimics LH and will keep the Leydig cells active (producing some degree of ITT). 5D. My Experience. Overall, PCT has been relatively easy with no major side effects, other than fatigue Agile-Newspaper4953. Steroids and TRT shuts down your body’s natural ability to produce testosterone and sperm. HCG does not significantly replicate the effects of FSH, which is likely to be why some men do not respond to it. kanielP318 • 2 yr. A lot of people take one to two years to taper off TRT due to needle scarring, low T4, etc, multitude of reasons. Most importantly, I didn’t experience any panic attacks. Maybe this is something you shoukd talk to a doctor about (not a trt clinic) if your hesitant I suggest you take some more time, make some more lifestyle changes, talk to a doctor that actually specializes in this stuff I slowly tapered off about 100mg/wk over the course of 6-8 weeks. , or if anyone has experience with a successful PCT using only hCG. Archived post. If you just want to be off testosterone, triptorelin once, and then HCG to cruise can work. Welp, I had enough. I'm wondering if a TRT dose of 100mg (50mg every 3. So you’ll be shut down. For educational purposes only, No Buying, Selling or Links to Sources. I could be wrong but the HCG has a suppressive effect on FSH/LH so you’ll feel like shit coming off. Smart move. However, coming from natty T levels of 198, I’ll gladly shave a year or two off my life to live the way I’m feeling now. I think a PCT is always a good idea. Apparently one of the most common side effects of trt is the bloat. So this might be one of those stories people laugh But just know that the "high" you are going to feel from TRT in the beginning will fade as your body acclimates. Give it about 3 weeks. Then you stay on it because your body is deficient for some reason. The Dr has kindly advised 3 options for me. Once you stop TRT/PEDs, a couple of months of Clomid will restore your body’s natural ability (given you don’t have any primary or secondary issues). Insurance worries me and I’m going through a clinic next time. I had normal test three month after coming off TRT for 1,5 years, but I would say it took about five before I felt fine. Blood pressure has been declining with help of meds. E2 was ~25. The correct way to use hcg is exactly as you're doing it, or if you've been on trt and want to quit you take it for two to four weeks before coming off to wake up the testicles. There are a multitude of other factors that can be in play here. I want to try and come off trt do a proper pct and then try cycling some natural boosters. I've been on it for about 15 months I think, and my T levels prior to starting were 297 and 412 on the two tests. You will lose it. Don’t go into TRT if you aren’t fully committed, it’s a life long commitment. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. I was 29 at that point. After stopping the Test and Anastrozole, and increasing the HCG to 1800iu my sperm count increased to 12,000,000 with 60% motility Go read pct section in r/steroids wiki. Other reasons being mental. Normal workouts ,more muscle soreness, less crazy sex drive . This puts my T in the mid 600s on trough and E hovering around 25. No, quite the opposite. Yes, PCT is a way of trying to make recovery less unpleasant and speed it up to some extent. Anecdotally, my brother went off trt after a few years at 47 years old, with a mild pct. You have a constant stream of hormones 24/7 when on trt. [Help] [Discussion] Getting off roids after years of use. 125 anastrozole EOD for 4 weeks. Deciding to come off Trt because I’m convinced it’s just not working for me. That is your best case scenario. Coming off TRT Question Been on TRT for 3 years, trying to have a kid Doc has me on HCG . Of course it’s possible. My blood pressure was sky high on test like most and it has returned to normal after the first week off. E2 was the same. The caveat being that we haven’t studied trt in length. Moon face is a side effect of high estrogen, which itself is subjective. Best. 12. I was pretty low at 200-250. Still, either way. comments. 5 weeks after stopping all PCT): LH: 4. Then do a blood test in 12 weeks. It’s ridiculous that people on here let this kind of misinformation fly. Be patient, recommend getting blood work in a month and a half, if you can. You'll be shut down. Went to the er the next day and was there all day because they were trying to bring my bp down as it was so high. The problem is I feel pretty much the same as I did before TRT, but now have less pleasure from sex (takes forever to cum and when I do it is very meh) and have bad body skin issues that make me not want to take my shirt off, which is especially hate. I can’t self inject because she can’t prescribe it to me. I'm around 800-1,000 range, 25 free T. Levels were ~500 prior (but super low estrogen and free T) Been at 162. Just add in hcg. The next option you can take for a more soft landing to safely come off TRT, is to decrease the dose that you inject. U dont need to go off if or only trying to have kids,u can stay on trt,add hcg,wait for it to bring up the sperm count and then come off when ur "done with the business", if u were on trt because ur testies cant produce enough test which seems to be the case the answer to the question: When am i gonna feel good again is never, its trt or feeling like shit Day 51 blood test (after 4 weeks of Enclo): LH: 6. Unfortunately I was diagnosed with vascular disease and had to stop because it was anecdotally causing me more pain in my veins. After that start nolva 10mg a day for 3 weeks. 2, Test: 471, Free test 8. I’ve been on T for just coming up on 6 months and never really a felt right during the time (which probably means I didn’t actually need it), but I was afraid of Stable 700 trough is better than anything a natural can achieve and is likely fix your acne issues as testosterone increases sebum thus proportionally may/can results in acne in those who are prone. That’s irresponsible. We’ve worked the above out with HCG mono being needed EOD due to its half life, and 250iu due to it being similar to natural levels of LH. Realistically, everything that increased while you’re on, will decrease. It's the same for coming off. According to muscle yes. Stupid decision. I do . SHBG can be decreased naturally according to a number of studies. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. That’s literally how I came off trt with no crash. For example, moving from weightlifting to more cardio related exercises. , zinc, dhea etc) and obviously this will come with a longer turnaround time. Best of luck brother. Your testosterone is low because you have high E2 which os the opposite hormone of testosterone. mk pb am ic bb dc io ts fd mz